The code

[wolf bite]

The code

The reasons as to why the code was not released was given 2 years ago, and many times since.

No one asking for it has a legal right to ask for it.

We have only had ownership of the code for a few weeks. We have no intent to jump to anyone’s wishes as to the order of our actions as we have more important things to do.

We have already stated our intent to fix the big bugs then release the code. What is anyone’s problem?

Demanding it now and wasting everyone’s time.


Wolf Bite

[The Beatles]

1. Show us where you stated your intent to fix the bugs and then release it. How long ago was this, if it ever happened?

2. Do you deny that the code is based on QMT? No, it states so on your credits page.

3. The licence for QMT is the GPL. You have no right to changet the licence without their permission. Thus you must be under the GPL and must act accordingly.

Do you dispute any of these points?

[wolf bite]

Around and around.

Here it goes again. And I don’t care if you don’t like the answer, but it is the answer. Asking for the zillionth time will not make your opinion right.

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Wolf Bite

Although Sheal is the keeper of the code, I would think releasing it would require a unanimous decision. At this point I would vote no to sending it out. After Sheal gets the big bugs fixed, I would consider having it reviewed by some trusted people. Then I would consider a full release with requests for any suggestions people may have.

2 and 3 >

We know it is based on QMT which is based on Purgett. After all, if I am right, you complained to QMT years ago asking them to go after us for something that is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Purgett agreed that the fixes to the security issues that YOU hacked into should not be given to YOU. Purgett told QMT and QMT does not object based on their Copyright issues. Thus no one with the copyright has a problem with our actions.

Now a question for you, since you have no legal right and have stated that you have no use for our code, why are you the only one demanding it to a point of harassment?


Wolf Bite
Edit: forgot to put the quotes in

[The Beatles]

To answer your last question, I'm not the only one.

Your post is badly-written, but you do bring up something new. You say Purgett told QMT and they do not object. This is new, you have never said this before. Please provide a copy of Purgett's letter about this.

[wolf bite]

Not only do we both know that I don’t have the networking of other people’s email. Don’t be a fool with a ridiculous request. You prove it was never talked about between them.

Again WHO CARES!!!!!! This is dead. I have a life besides dealing with your request for something you don’t want. Which by the way you are about to get!!!!!!

I again ask the question you avoided. I even changed it to met your last attempt to sidestep it.

Now a question for you, since you have no legal right and have stated that you have no use for our code, why are you (and people you have convinced to help you ) the only one demanding it to a point of harassment?


Wolf Bite

[The Beatles]

The burden of proof is on you for not releasing the code after Bjorn and I requested it. You know this very well as a lawyer.

To your second question, as we have said many times before here and elswhere, it's the principle. Previously you had asked "why are you the only one?" and I responded by saying I'm not the only one. Now you ask "why?" and I am answering you, for Bjorn and I.

[wolf bite]

Wrong, and as a lawyer I can tell you that. The burden of proof is on the one complaining. Ever hear of innocent until proven guilty? I don’t have to prove I did not kill someone until someone proves I did.

Now that you want to bring up the right to complain, which is called standing. Someone has to be injured to demand something. Only the person who may get bitten by a dog can complain about it not being on a leash. YOU have NO RIGHTS AT ALL to demand anything. Doing so for 2 years is HARASHMENT.

So am I to under stand that the only reason you and a few of your friends have been attacking and harassing my site is simply for what you think is principle? I think it is some vengeance. So who is it that keeps this alive?

Wolf Bite

[The Beatles]

Are you saying the burden of proof is on my end to show that you did not have an agreement with both Purgett and QMT when I am asking you merely to receive the source code for a package?

We've proven that it's based on QMT, and is under the GPL. Do we have to prove that you did NOT communicate with Purgett and he did NOT obtain QMT's permission?

Is that what you are saying?

[wolf bite]

I have said the code will shotly be released. if this is not soon enough for you after waiting for 2 years, then sue me? Don't try to toss legal issues at me. Not my job to teach you.


Wolf Bite

[bjornredtail]

Wolf Bite is correct in that we don't have legal standing. Our copyright doesn't appily to our code. We can't sue RWL over this... So what? Relaseing the source code is just the honorable and ethical thing to do. Now, Wolf Bite is misrepresenting our stance on the issue... We are not saying RELASE THE SOURCE CODE RIGHT NOW OR ELSE WE WILL RELASE OUR 1337 ATTACK WEASALS TO DESTROY YOU!!!1ONE We are asking you to comitt to makeing a production relase within a reasonable timeframe.
If what Scarwake says is true, this is all a non-issue.

[wolf bite]

This is exactly my point. Everyone is yelling for something they already have. We have said that we have no intent to hide the code longer then it takes to cure up some major holes. When that will be I don’t know, could be 2 weeks, could be 3 months. But our releasing it has nothing to do with a few people wasting our time spaming us concerning it. Also it has nothing to do with anyone’s legal right to it. It was a decision we were discussing. I will not say 100% that the code will be released because I am not the only one who makes the decision. At this point I don’t see a problem. But gezzzzz guys. From the moment we had it we had the picket signs at our doors. Give someone the time to do the right thing in the right order.

I keep saying that this is a non issue, and it still is.


Wolf Bite

[The Beatles]

Well, I understood, Bjorn, that it depended on the interpretation of "output of the program". But you seem to want to drop it, so I'll do so as well. Solidarity, etc.

By the way, the discussion at RWL is here:
http://www.rovl.org/rwl/forums/index.php?topic=3941.15
("Professional_Admin_Suck-U" is "Dixie Rose". I can't say for sure, but from the writing style, the first half of the Burninate posts were by me, the second half by Veranor. That account has been banned.)