F&F policies?

[bjornredtail]

Our mod staff is rather poorly orgnized by design. That is to say, we don't entirley know what we would do. However, we have avoided the race condition that occures when the strictist moderator has the most say... So we are not doing all that bad, are we?

[Gen. Volkov]

If someone came here and said "FAF blows the big one", I would probably have the same reaction. I would then talk to the member about his statement. And I would have with you two wolf, but one, there's other things behind this, and two, I was pre-empted by the higher-ups before I could.

[wolf bite]

Maybe my intent is to directly reverse a situation in hopes that people can see both sides of an issue.

We do not like being accused of a crime, which in our case is not even a crime.

We do not like to have the same stupid questions to be asked over and over despite reasonable answers being given for years. Just since some people don’t like an answer does not give them the right to repeated it to the ends of the earth.

We expect people to stop doing things when asked by the staff.

We know the line of insult and opinion can be close. But too much of an opinion becomes an insult.

We understand that conflict on a site increases usage short term, but long term loses members, thus conflict is not good on a server. It would be terribly rude to intentionally cause such conflict on a different person’s server.



Now, to a very small extent, I have done all the above. But then this is only over a few minutes only for the reason to prove how much other people would not think this is unacceptable behavior. So I ask people to look inside and see who may be doing these same unacceptable actions?


Wolf Bite

[Devari]

Tu Quoque

[bjornredtail]

This comes down to a matter of intent I suppose. Your intent was to ruffel our fur. Our intent was to point out technical weeknesses and attempt to convnce RWL to distribuate the scource code.

[Gen. Volkov]

Your intent is to directly reverse the situation that you have created at RWL? No one, except if they were looking to be offended, should have taken anything posted before your post that started out "NO!" of the FAF people as an insult.

The crime thing... well I'm not up on the legalities of open-source documents, and they are being aggressive about it, but you are not addressing their points either. What does the law say about a code as polyglot as RWL's?

What same stupid questions? Where have they been adequately answered?

People have trouble not responding when the staff posts things that could be viewed attacks on them and then asks for them not to say anything.

What opinions do you feel were insulting then wolf?

We are most certainly not intentionally trying to create conflict. I have been trying to defuse the situation from the first I saw of it. Others have concurred, but individuals on both sides refuse to let it drop. That is not intentional, unless you wish to create conflict wolf.

I maintain there is a big difference between the initial posts by FAF members at RWL and what you have done here.

[wolf bite]

Different people’s intent may not have been the same as yours. But this does go to asking the same questions over and over and some people going way out of their way to point out bugs. But most of all, some people not taking direct orders from ALL the Admins to stop bad behavor on our site. Some people feel they are above that. So I took the wait of key strocks from there and brought it to your door step.


Wolf Bite

[Freenhult]

I don't even understand what your position has to do with what you've done here.

[windhound]

its not what is said, but who says it

accusing the head of a website of hacking and of breaking laws isnt that big of a deal coming from some random guy
but when you say it wolf, it, for varying reasons, gains significance significantly
hackles are raised, tempers rise, assumptions are made

FAF actually has a decent mod system inplace. if you notice, nothing was deleted. it was removed from public eye, but able to be placed back. the fact that it /was/ edited out should atleast answer part of your question.

anyways, your post got what, near 20 odd replies from varying people at 2-3 am on a thursday. not bad

...typed out, then let sit. mistake in a topic that grows rapidly.
the parallels between here and rwl are there, but it doesnt fit as snugly as it could. the other topic grew exponentially from a good topic to a.. well, not so good topic. this one started out there, as was its assumed intent.

[Devari]

So then is that the response to my question. That if someone came here unwelcome they would be censored and jumped on with out even an attempt to ask politely first?


Wolf Bite

We lack any particular mod policy here, mostly out of our own choice. Sometimes that can cause confusion on what should be done. Your comments were reinstated, as you will note. I do not believe your claims of censorship to be valid.

[Nuclear Raunch]

I just have a simple question as to how F&F deals with some problems. My understanding is that F&F has a desire to help us over at our site. So there should be no trouble in telling me exactly how F&F would deal with a problem.

Lets say, for example, that someone came onto your site from a different site for the pure and only reason to post something meant to degrade your site. For example, what if they said:

"The leader of your site is a confessed hacker. Hacking is a personal property crime and is likely a felony in the state he lives, not to mention federal and international laws. By that reasoning this place would be run by a felon."

So on both an emotional and logical viewpoint, how exactly would this type of thing be handled?


Wolf Bite

[edit: back in - D]

Libelous comments are likely to be ignored if they are from a questionable source, if it came from someone that may be taken seriously it would probably depend on whichever mod saw it first.

When I know the other 99% of the story my opinion may change.

[wolf bite]

How much of the story you will get depends a lot on who tells it to you. Some people have been constantly demanding our code despite their claims they have no need for it for any reason. They have been told over and over from everyone from the original writer of the code on to an attorney that they have no right to demand it. But they seem to think they have the right to spam and flame a different server under some crazy reason that they are defending the universe or something. This has gone on for 2 years. In short, it is NONE of their business. It is wrong to keep demanding answers that have been given. And most of all, they have no respect for being told to STOP disruptions on our server. After years of these attacks, I am sick of it. So I thought how would they deal with one hour of what they have been doing for years? Seems they think it rude.


Wolf Bite

[Nuclear Raunch]

I hereby ammend my prior statement, now I'm saying that when I hear the other 98.9% of the story my opinion may change.

From what I can see there's some type of a dispute over some code and some people feel they have no right to demand it. What I don't get is where the libelous statements come into play. The only people specifically mentioned was an attorney and a writer. I'm guessing it was one of them that was libelling, but no mention of which of the two did it. If I had to guess I'd say the writer or a John Doe since I'm hoping the attorney was smart enough not to libel, but the information presented is pretty sketchy so it's hard to say. I'm probably way off base on everything, but with the information presented this is like trying to guess the plot of the book by reading the first syllable of one word in it.

[Kraken]

stinky cheese?

[wolf bite]

Hey nuclear, long time no see. Hope all is well with you.

Let me help you out and catch you up a bit. In the first post I made a statement which had many meanings. Some of those meanings were within the rules of this forum and some were not. Thus I was on the line between good member and evil flame.

Then I found a way to get around my first censorship by saying the same questionable statement again, and not breaking the rules. Thus I was between the lines of disobeying an order to stop by staff members.

And finally, although my simple original request had been directly indirectly answered I kept asking it as if I did not understand the answer. Thus on the line of spamming this server.

At no time have I actually broke any rules of this forum.

Our staff at RWL feel that all the above actions are being done on our site by staff members of F&F. Our staff members know better not to do on someone else’s site what we don’t want on ours. I would assume F&F feel the same also. This whole topic is not about libel or lost codes, but about mutual respect.

The first step to creating an understanding is to drop weapons. Respect of other’s property must be understood. If I am posting on this forum I am a guest, I should act like one. And this goes even more so since I represent as an ambassador of a different site. Under the same reasoning when ambassadors come to my home site I expect the same respect for my authority and not having to deal with people walking the lines mentioned above.

See, simple! People can close their eyes. People can find minor differences in my actions and disregard the greater point. People can find more reasons to argue. But also there is room for people to make a mutual agreement of being a polite guest in the other’s home.


Wolf Bite