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I care about this country's politics for several reasons. Most obviously I live here at the moment so policies very much affect me. So I take an interest in WA state politics and federal politics. Second, as Bjorn said, it's a global world. Third and most importantly, the US's staggering economic, military, scientific, espionage and soft power means that its politics indirectly or directly affect mine, wherever I should live on the globe (as the current economic debacle shows). So I will naturally take a lively interest in its politics while it is a first-rate power.

Yes, I wouldn't vote for Condoleezza, and if Obama was Republican, I wouldn't vote for him. It's still great that Condoleezza is in her post, and it would equally be great if Obama was president, for both politics and race relations.
for starters, i do read the lines.
Policies do not effect you unless your expecting handouts and that, unfortunatly, is what Socialists always have open: thier hands.
it is a global world, indeed it is, but it still doesnt matter to the average American what Euro's or anyone else thinks about who we elect. we elect by our own hearts, heads and desires. just because you are surrounded by Liberals doesnt mean that the rest of the country is in line with your style of thinking.
a majority of the people arent going to vote Democrat because the are Liberal, they will do it for many many other reasons and regardless of thier reasons, 99.9999999999% of them will do it regardless of what the British PM or the Dahli Lama or anyone else outside of our borders thinks of a canadate.
this is my point on the "doesnt matter"issue. not that i dont like to hear your views, but your views and those of others outside of the USA are irrelevent when it comes to public opinion about a canadate.

so, what your saying as far as "what if Obama was a Republican" is that it wouldnt matter if he was black, no doors will be shut, fences mended: whatever in your eyes because he isnt a Democrat.
hmmm.....

It's pretty simple. The tension between what Palin claims and her voting record is great. Combine that with her stated positions; I think she'd wreck the country.   
The tension between what Obama claims and how he has voted also exists but is not great. Combine that with his stated positions; I think he'd do the country good.
Sorry you feel that way. Since you think that Obama would be a better president and seeing how he has no Legislative experiance nor any executive experiance, no foriegn relations experience......wheras Palin only lacks In foriegn relations...wow. low standards.
but hey! the president doesnt need to have all of the aforementioned stuff in his portfolio! just voting on the party line for two years is good enough!

here is the crux. people are acting like is Palin v/s Obama. lol.
it just goes to show how much of a threat she is to Liberals.
I know some libertarian communists (also called anarcho-communists) who are also set in their ways but would certainly vote Democrat
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to put it as simply as i can: they arent Libertarians.
just like a guy i know who is so Conservative he practically bleeds Jesus.
but, like his father before him, he has always voted Democrat because its a family tradition.
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sorry to doublt post but wow, what a rediculous site.
and entertaining as well!:

http://slander08.wordpress.com/
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there is an Ozone hole at the poles so you burn your brain when you go to vote...... L0L
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Do you mean Republican as in member of the GOP or Republican as being on the right-of-center wing of American Politics? To rephrase that, would you automatically disqualify a candidate by his or her party affiliation regardless of his or her ideology?
The second. I use stereotypes or affiliations merely as statistical shorthands on who to evaluate most thoroughly when constrained for time. So no, I wouldn't judge someone just by party affiliation, although I might think that the party would sway someone in their decision-making, not just as a default policy, but in a very real exertion of power.
for starters, i do read the lines.
Oh good. You still haven't read that one, by the way, because I'm saying the exact same thing you are.
Policies do not effect you unless your expecting handouts and that, unfortunatly, is what Socialists always have open: thier hands.
Oh, that neatly explains everyone above the average or median wage who's a socialist, right? You know what the Libertarians always have open, right? Their mouths.
so, what your saying as far as "what if Obama was a Republican" is that it wouldnt matter if he was black, no doors will be shut, fences mended: whatever in your eyes because he isnt a Democrat.
hmmm.....
No, if Obama was a republican and he was elected, it would also mean doors shut, fences mended, etc. I just wouldn't vote for him, that's all. That's quite irrelevant to whether it's a step or no. I support him because of his policies and my general impression of him. Not because he's black or multiracial as windy kindly updated me.
here is the crux. people are acting like is Palin v/s Obama. lol.
it just goes to show how much of a threat she is to Liberals.
She's not a threat as is. After all she's just McCain's lapdog. The trouble is that if McCain's health fails, as is quite possible with a history of skin cancer and heart issues, then Palin will become President. I'll just quote my mother, who said that if Palin became President the US would be a laughing-stock of the world, even moreso than with Bush. My mother by the way is moderate right-wing, although in the US that means she votes Democrat. She typically votes Conservative but has voted Socialist before in Hungary just based on the actual policies presented in the election. She takes a very non-partisan, intelligent view of politics, does my mother. Anyway, Letterman had a funny comment on this yesterday when Obama was on -- to all the people concerned about what happens if Palin becomes President, they shouldn't worry, Bush has lowered the bar for the presidency a lot...

All this is just a personal and humorous aside, please ignore it, I just wanted to mention it. The point is, the "Liberals" as you call them are worried that Palin might become president, that's no more and no less their concern with her.

I know the libertarian communists aren't libertarian (what is more accurately called a classical liberal).
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So no, I wouldn't judge someone just by party affiliation,
ahhh, how you contridict yourself beatles.
She's not a threat as is. After all she's just McCain's lapdog.
wow. so Biden is what to Obama? his personal trainer?
The trouble is that if McCain's health fails, as is quite possible with a history of skin cancer and heart issues, then Palin will become President.
I'll just quote my mother, who said that if Palin became President the US would be a laughing-stock of the world, even moreso than with Bush.
your right, she would become president and will still have more experience than Obama. (which you continue to ignore the fact that all he has ever done is VOTE :P ) and bully for your mother. i guess when Germany elected thier first female leader, that made them a laughing stock...
wait...had it been Hilary, you/her wouldnt feel that way would you???....
nope, i believe not. your a kool-aid liberal and will sip and sip and sip.....
the rest: i could care less about your socialist mothers views on things.
Anyway, Letterman had a funny comment on this yesterday when Obama was on -- to all the people concerned about what happens if Palin becomes President, they shouldn't worry, Bush has lowered the bar for the presidency a lot...
and gee, do you hear a self proclaimed Liberal say any Jokes about Obama?
nope, its been hands-off.
wow, the things you watch, no wonder you are so influenced by the Liberal Media.

keep ignoring the fact that Obama has nothing to offer than words. keep ignoring that he has had NO executive experience. keep ignoring that maybe in 8 years, he might be ready for such an office. keep contradicting yourself when you say you wont judge due to parties.



All this is just a personal and humorous aside, please ignore it, I just wanted to mention it. The point is, the "Liberals" as you call them are worried that Palin might become president, that's no more and no less their concern with her.
and this is just a personal and humorous aside, please ignore it, i just wanted to mention it. the point is, the "Conservatives" as you call them are worried that Obama might become president, that's no more and no less thier concern with him.


BS: thats why the polls are kicken and the Liberal Media is squirmin.
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those brits have been the laughing stock ever since they elected a queen to office, at least she gots a pooty. obama gots a wnker and so do I, so I aint votin fer him.

besides the attacks on palin is because they got nothing else, she hasnt taken a load of cash from big corporate to sell out Americans futures like all the rest of those so called public servants, so like a bunch of children they attack her mom, kids, hubby, her nose, her butt, and her unborn grandchild, slander is slander no matter what language you speak british, politcal hype, PC, or big media
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Contradict? You're the only one who's doing that.

By the way, I took care to point out that my mother wasn't a socialist, but of course you immediately assume she is. You're a little Nazi.

It isn't that Palin is a woman that would make the US a laughing-stock. It's because she is Sarah Palin.

I've only ever watched two episodes of the Letterman show, both in the last few months. One sent up Obama and Hillary, roundly making fun of them both. Not hands off at all, as far as I could see. The other one was when Obama was on a few days ago.

Tetigustas, you have the most extraordinarily mistaken views on politics that I don't bother to comment on, but the fact that you think the Queen is elected I couldn't pass up.
she hasnt taken a load of cash from big corporate to sell out Americans futures like all the rest of those so called public servants,
Yes, she has. You just assume she hasn't. Take a look at her record then.

That's the last time I want to argue politics with you, Kraken, you're just a fascist these days. So let's take it to PM unless you want to continue in this thread.
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lol.
we will argue politics all you want Beatles!
its fun! its productive! and it encourages sperm to swim!
and i am no Nazi... last time i checked anyways...

and you do align and form your opinion due to party affiliation!
you continue to ignore my points about Obama and his lack of experience and yet, you would vote for him and yet, if he was Republican: you would not. even though he brings nothing more than...well nothing!

you continue to knock on Palin altough, as i have pointed out, you didnt even know her name a month ago, yet, you and your cohorts think she will bring shame should she ever fall into the shoes of President and that she is even dangerous!

Although you have emmersed yourself in Palinology, you have failed to point out one thing Obama has done other than vote for the 143 days he has been present in the US Senate!

and now i am a facist!!!!!!!!!!! if i am a facist, then your a sexist.
dear me...

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 Main Entry:  fas·cism  
Pronunciation: \ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi-\ 
Function: noun 
Etymology: Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces 
Date: 1921 
1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control <early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge>
— fas·cist  \-shist also -sist\ noun or adjective often capitalized 
— fas·cis·tic  \fa-ˈshis-tik also -ˈsis-\ adjective often capitalized 
— fas·cis·ti·cal·ly  \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb often capitalized 
sooo... i think the nation is above the individual...okay, i agree to that.
hmm... a centralized, autocratic government headed by a dictorial leader? nope. i want smaller government.
severe economic and social regimentation? nope, free market capitalism is not that, nor is the bill of rights...
a forcible suppression of opposition? because i like to debate?

come on Beatles! i must be getting to you and changing your mind.
nothing else can explain it. :P
the whole reason i started this thread is because i truly enjoy debating this topic!
i apologize for calling your mother a socialist.
but! is that not what you are yourself?
your political/social/economic views on everything surely point that way.
convince me otherwise.

*edit* and one more thing. please provide a link to Palins "record" that you refer to that debunks Tetigustas shadowson and back everything you say.
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The low blows agaisnt Palin by the media are stupid, they shouldn't be going after the fact about her daughter, they should go after her because she is ignorant and refuses to believe global warming is being caused by humans, either due to being not very bright or just refusing to believe the facts infront of her.

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Arthus wrote: The low blows agaisnt Palin by the media are stupid, they shouldn't be going after the fact about her daughter, they should go after her because she is ignorant and refuses to believe global warming is being caused by humans, either due to being not very bright or just refusing to believe the facts infront of her.
global warming is not man made.
i guess i am not very bright either.
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Guess not.
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I don't think you're a fascist or a Nazi, but I wanted to show you that you're not the only one who can resort to mindless name-calling. Thanks for leaving my mother out of it, and I retract that you're a fascist or Nazi. :) Yes, I'm a socialist or social democrat, and proud of it. But I could be wrong, and anyway there's no point in blindly using what to you is a negative label on someone whose political views I clearly described. It's sort of like calling Obama a fascist, which someone else did a few pages ago. That is, I'll defend misrepresentation as much as slurs.

Obviously I don't support Obama for his policy experience. I support him for his policy positions. If his policy positions were similar to Sarah Palin's, I wouldn't. If all we ever voted on was policy experience, new voices would never get in.
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come-on........
I know the Queen wasnt elected, but iI figured it was good for a laugh.
it just seems so typical for a bash fest to overtake the elections, all because a couple women tossed thier names into the hat, aiming for one of the most pretegious positions in the world.

you would proly say Nixon, Regan, J Edgar, Woodrow, Kennedy, and the old bush boys have been the best presidents to date.

whats wrong with McCain or Palin?
where is this factoid page?

Sara Palin is at war with the oil companies over Alaska crude, they have tried to depose her the whole time she has been the Governor of Alaska, dont you think these exec's havent put a pot full of slanderous falsities out there into the media storm, there must be something behind a common house wifes gamble for presidency, is it $, or position.
maybe its respect, unity and duty.
respect for the position that represents the average citizen
unity of people and political parties, we are All Americans and should be represented as such with a mixture of peeps
Duty to put others before oneself

Hmmmmmm
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I certainly wouldn't say that... I'd say Nixon, Reagan, and the Busy boys have been quite bad presidents. Thank goodness Hoover never became one! Wilson I don't know enough to have an opinion on, but he did create the Federal Reserve and bitterly regretted it. Kennedy, yes, I like.
there must be something behind a common house wifes gamble for presidency, is it $, or position.
maybe its respect, unity and duty.
Yeah. $ and position seem the most likely. Don't forget she's not a "common house wife". She's been a professional politician since she was mayor of a town and then governor of a state.
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Nixon did bad things, but was not actually all that bad of a president. If you look at what he actually accomplished, especially in the area of foreign relations and policy, he was actually not that bad of a president. He got us out of Vietnam, for instance.

I think Reagan and Bush are too recent to really pass judgment on.

Woody has a mixed legacy. He helped win WW1, but his peace plan failed utterly. He also gave us the Fed.

Kennedy in general, wasn't too bad. Though he was responsible for the Bay of Pigs and the start of US involvement in Vietnam.

Hoover was a good president for different times. He had the bad luck to be president at the start of the Great Depression. You can't say he's really the cause of it, but he also didn't do much to mitigate the effects of the Great Depression. By Hoover of course, I mean Herbert Hoover, J. Edgar is a whole different kettle of fish.
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