Cashing is back in business

Post by **Freenhult** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:23 pm

Temporarily made cashing awesome again.

How's 14 bil on 300 turns sound?

Post by **Devari** » Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:09 pm

Thrilling!

Post by **Gen. Volkov** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:37 pm

I hope that was sarcasm. Unless I'm missing something, that's substantially lower than hawk loot returns. I remember regularly making 20-30 bil in 200 hundred turns with hawk loot.

Arthus · Post by **Arthus** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:51 pm

With 15k land!? I highly doubt that volky.

Post by **Freenhult** » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:40 pm

Gen. Volkov wrote: I hope that was sarcasm. Unless I'm missing something, that's substantially lower than hawk loot returns. I remember regularly making 20-30 bil in 200 hundred turns with hawk loot.

Also, you're forgetting that you are able to only loot every other run do to loyalty issues.

Within 2 runs, I can make 25-30 bil.

Which would be equivalent to a hawker making in one run.

Also, I made 4 bil today scouting for 150 turns. That was pretty exciting.

Post by **Gen. Volkov** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:49 am

Oh, he was on 15k? Well, I suppose 14 bil is reasonable then. That sounds about equal to what I could do as a hawker per run, but it wouldn't be every other run. Unless you've decreased the amount of loyalty you make that is.

Shadow I · Post by **Shadow I** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:56 pm

Yeah, you don't cash alternate runs if you are playing defensive mage, which is really the only viable mage play here. If resource hording were possible that might change, but if you cash and earn scrolls alternate runs you are just asking to be broken.

But yeah, cashing seems about par with mage at the moment for cash output, but mage would still win easily since the casher lacks mage defense.

Krueler · Post by **Krueler** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:09 pm

Hm...I think I'll try cashing next round then.

Post by **Freenhult** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:18 pm

Right. The other variable is that I have no army. Its a purely support class strat right now. Which is fine...

Post by **Devari** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:16 pm

If memory serves, one of the previous problems with cashing is that supporting an army costs a metric tonne. Most units seem to consume a hell of a lot of cash, but never very much food.

Post by **Devari** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:17 pm

Basically, I'd like to see how viable this strategy is when one is trying to build/maintain an army.

Shadow I · Post by **Shadow I** » Sat Jul 11, 2009 8:36 pm

If it is meant as a support class, it's output should be about 30% greather than mage, or else clans will just use mages which are more helpful for O/D

Post by **Devari** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:26 am

Hm, indeed. Shouldn't it be a valid solo strategy, though?

ohmyjapan16 · Post by **ohmyjapan16** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 1:00 am

Devari wrote:Hm, indeed. Shouldn't it be a valid solo strategy, though?

The process of attacking for a casher would be the exact same as an agrarian would use, the only difference being is that a different resource is being produced.

Buy troops, attack, get rid of them/market them/dont have them on your emp, produce your resources, convert resources to cash (lolz can't sell cash), buy more troops with your resources.
Then on your next run sell off the troops you don't need for attacking, and then follow the same cycle of attacking, gettin rid of troops, producin your resources and buyin more troops.

One thing is that agrarians probably make a lot more excess cash when attacking, as Sir Devari pointed out that troops do consume a buttload of cash compared to food.

If you can find a hole in an empire and buy only a few troops to break someone, that's obviously the way you want to go and seems to be pretty easy to figure out which warband is weak in which troop, even without maging. It's just too hard to defend in every troop type on your own.

Side note:
I miss the good ol' days when there was a mere 20% commission on the PM!

TL;DR Cashing is a more tedious and annoying version of farming.

Post by **Freenhult** » Sun Jul 12, 2009 2:54 am

That it is Japan. I don't see why we shouldn't have support classes. Every class tanks enough as it is. In terms of large scale high level play, someone being a support base for an entire clan would be good. Instead of everyone farming/indy/hawking. You have 3 attacking strats and then a recovery one.

Hawking revolves on being attacked to have a ratio.
Farming and Indy can prevent being attacked to stay ahead.
Cashing doesn't matter as long as there is a whole. Since its a clan strat, your mates should make it easy for you to break. Also, you should have a sizeable army after you spend your cash from last run like a farm. Only difference is selling the army / sepuku to get max money.

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