My Game

[Urran Voh]

11 Races
4 Troop Types
13 Locations
4 Resources
Perhaps a Duels type server

Resources are:

Gold
Meat
Wood
Loyalty

Instead of using money to build, you would use Wood.

Gold is strictly for the production/buying of troops. Meat is used to either sell to make more Gold, or just to create more Networth. Loyalty for Crows (Hawks).


Troops are:

Swordsmen 2:2
Archers 4:3
Axemen 8:5
Calvary 9:8

If you have any suggestions, comments, please post here. I haven't thought up troop costs/upkeep yet. Hopefully you guys can help me with it.

[Urran Voh]

A "special" troop may be added. Not sure about this though.

Races are:

Men
Primary race with no advantages or disadvantages what-so-ever.

Dwarves
Mainly a defensive race with good industry and generally poor leadership (Hawks, Crows) skills.

Light Elves
Mainly a leadership race with good economy but poor industry.

Halflings
Basic race with good offense and defense bonuses, but no noticeable industry or hawk benefits/defects.

Wizards
Versitile race that can either be good at leadership or industry.

Trackers
Good race for beginners to use since Trackers have good offense and defense with a suitable economy.

Goblins
A good race for those who wish to send aid to clan members/allies. Great economy but poor industry and offense.

Orcs
A good offensive/indy race. Orcs have the best Scouting bonus in the game.

Trolls
Trolls have the best offensive bonus which is countered with a slight defense defect and poor leadership.

Gnomes
Gnomes are noted for their good economy, defense, and cheap mercenaries. Though they have a poor offense and industry, they can be used to either create resources for a whole clan or buy enemy troops from the public market.

Forest Giants
Forest Giants have the best defense in the game with a noteable offensive bonus. This is offset by a very poor economy and weaker leadership.

[IFman]

reminds me of ragnarok

[Urran Voh]

It's a mixture of all the Promis I play: FAF, RWL, Ragnarok, QMT, Valhall, and Province.

Convo between myself and Zephyrus:

<span style='color:red'>MPAN</span> abc: I name a strat, and you should have some race which fufills it well.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: Name any strat
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Pure hawk cashing, defenceless.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: Light Elf
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Basher. ie, huge off, build bonus, minus to def, upkeep, etc.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: Troll or Forest Giant
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Troll is understandable.
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Forest giant isn't agressive guard massing?
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: You mean a bad (not good) defense or great defense?
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Forest giant needs upkeep +15 or more to really increase their costs.
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: I mean forest giant is shrew.
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: You're citing it for the can't defend attacks well category.
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Orcs needs fixing.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: How so?
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Scouting bonus?!
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: Hare
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: And that's underused as ever.
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: It has nothing you cannot get from another race.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: And I tweaked it, hoping more people will use it
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Tweaked how?
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: You need to create a purpose that other races cannot fill.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: Orcs control land in the beginning of a round
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: I dunno. I've not seen FaF people use hares.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402:</span> and can into the end of the round if played correctly
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: So it gets def+?
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: Peace is a Hare on Duels, you can watch him
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: def -
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: So the lead gained early is kept how?
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: Troop production
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: +12
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Why not shrew?
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: I didn't get the race info from FAF alone..I used FAF, QMT, Valhall, and Province
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: But why would someone use hare instead of badger, shrew, otter?
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: FaF is a familiar point of reference for me.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: I wish I knew how to create the tables (good ones) so I can do it that way.
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: So, your hare is useful for what reason?
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: To either create land for other people to take if you just want a land farm, or hold land for yourself if you chose to take advantage of the +12 troop prodution
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Well, I won't argue with it much.
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: For light elf, why low upkeep cost?
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Shouldn't a peaceful race be limited in its ability to keep troops?
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: Light Elves have -0 costs
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: It should be + someodd.
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Some large amount making light elves more guardless than troop hogs.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: -8 food costs, -6 food production
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: So?
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Those cancel each other/
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: Why shouldn't they if you're going peaceful?
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Shouldn't what?
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: cancel each other
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: You want the light elf who masses troops to pay a heavy cost, as it'd be overpowered.
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Light elf is the buy and immediately sell back approach to troops.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: I just did a draft, can be changed any moment
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: It's very similiar to Squirrel though
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: A sort of dark elf would be more suited to warfare, but still have the same cost problems.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: I had Dark Elf, but changed it to Wizard
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: Err..Tracker
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Wha? You want a race with off, def, and costs?
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: I don't think that'd be fair.
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Generally, a new person race is off, costs, build and bad def.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: Tracker has +14 off, +6 def, -5 costs, -15 build
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: -15 build is not something you want new players to use.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: If it has good off/def, shouldn't this work out?
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: No. New people tend to go the same strat as Devari does with otter.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: or should it be changed to -5 build?
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: As is, it should have cost +, and isn't necessarily the race of choice for new people.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: +8 costs?
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: -15 build should be fun to try, not sure the consequences.
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: +5 or +8.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: Squirrel is -10 build, so it's close
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Squirrel does well without land, and goes building once every few runs only.
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: A new player race would attack, build, lose land daily.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: Tracker takes land easily, just takes more turns to build
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: New players (n00bs) tend to get discouraged if land is taken from them so easily
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: And yet giving them def+ does them nothing without knowledge of the game.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: New players to just a game should try something challenging
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: They should know a + def is good
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Def+ works only if your strategy is centered around it.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: What would you change it to?
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: I'm not sure.
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: But, if I'm new to the game, I'll probably figure out attacking on day two, whereas defence doesn't come so easily.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: Which comes to Guards
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: What is a good number for a Guard's Def points?
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: I want to make them more useful than they are now, but not unbreakable
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: What you set it will determine the metagame's strategy.
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: As-is now, someone skilled could easily guard mass to the top.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: Ok.
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: More def points will increase these people, less will make them go about their strategy differently,
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: What other things do you see wrong with the races?
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Wrong? None. I just want to try things different.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: Ah...what would you do differently then?
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Which race does no other Prom have? Is it balanced and fair? Is there a niche it fills well? What strat does it play?
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Another thing, make it so pubmarket trading is more common.
<span style='color:blue'>Footb402</span>: How can you do this without taking out current features?
<span style='color:red'>MPAN abc</span>: Make it so both sides of a pubmarket transaction get more than they would from pvtmarket, using turns other ways.

[ohmyjapan16]

I like the races for any kind of strat. A turbo server would be nice for impatient people (me), otherwise awesome. What's the pending release date?

[Urran Voh]

If I could create tables like those shown on the Game Guide, I'd show all of the info.

I'm currently trying to find programmers to program the game since I know nothing about it.

[The Beatles]

Unpinning until the game is actually up.

[Urran Voh]

Fair enough.

[Slasher]

What is the turn rate going to be?

EDIT:

I'm currently trying to find programmers to program the game since I know nothing about it.

I wouldn't mind learning... I have an e-book on how to teach yourself SQL in 21 days if thats any help *laughs*

I have a basic HTML (Hypertext Markup Language) knowlage and hardly any on PHP (Personal Home Page).

[gondor]

Well i would have no idea on how to use SQL i would get it all rong *laughs*

[Devari]

Oh yeah, you know NO PHP. Considering PHP is a recursive acronym meaning "Hypertext Preprocessor".

I might be able to help after AoH. But maybe not... Anyway, FAF codebase would hopefully be so easy to configure that anyone could do it. That was the goal, anyway.

[Urran Voh]

I'll hopefully have two running servers: One slow and a turbo. Slow would be 5 turns every 20 minutes, turbo would be 8 turns every 10 minutes. Max turns on slow would be 450. Max on turbo would be 750.

I'd appreciate it Devari.

*gets to work on Race Info table*

[Zephyrus]

750 is NOT a good idea. Not unless you're really trying to encourage kills.

[Urran Voh]

Offense Defense Build Costs Loyalty Training Income Scouting Meat Crows Hunting Mercs
Men +0% +0% +0% +0% +0% +0% +0% +0% +0% +0% +0% +0%
Dwarves +10% +15% +25% +10% +5% +10% +0% -10% +0% -15% -10% +5%
Light Elves -14% -5% -10% +0% +15% -10% +12% +15% -8% +20% -6% -5%
Halflings +6% +10% +0% +0% -10 +0% +12% +10% +15% +0% +0% +6%
Wizards +12% +5% -8% +12% +18% -14% -6% -5% +12% +16% +4% -10%
Trackers +5% +10% -12% -6% -10% -10% +0% -10% +0% +10% -6% -6%
Goblins -15% +10% +0% -25% +0% +20% +0% +0% -10% +0% +0% +20%
Orcs +15% -5% +5% +15% -16% +12% +0% +25% +10% -10% -10% +0%
Trolls +24% -12% +10% +0% -10% +0% +6% +18% +0% -16% -6% +15%
Gnomes -18% +13% +0% -8% -15% -10% +12% -5% -5% +0% +10% -26%
Forest Giants +15% +20% +0% +20% -15% +12% -5% +10% -10% -10% -10% +0%


Bah! I can't save it as a webpage so you can't see the table correctly. Ask questions if you are confused.

How about 600 turns then?

[Zephyrus]

Without additional healing, a solo kill would be barely possible with that rate. If you allow Brome, it'd be a bit dangerous. But otherwise, someone massing loyalty would do the same with hawk heal.