Best way to fight back against killers

[Zephyrus]

Nohc, I am tempted to say you are among those causing us to go to war in the first place.

EDIT: Er... nvm this? It's 11:00 PM. I'm NOT sane at this time.

[Nohc]

I'm a civilian. An underage, joking civilian. I don't have any say in what America does or doesn't do...

[The Beatles]

Nohc, I am tempted to say you are among those causing us to go to war in the first place.

EDIT: Er... nvm this? It's 11:00 PM. I'm NOT sane at this time.

No, but, seriously, the war was, in my humble opinion, the only right thing to do, morally.

[Ruddertail]

Erg? We're discussing Iraq here? Isn't that a bit off topic? If you want to discuss it, I think someone should make a GD topic. I would find the discussion interesting, and I think a lot of other members would to.

[Nohc]

Yeah, but we already answered his question and he was content with the answer...

[Ruddertail]

I see. Well, in that case, on with the Iraq discussion! What do you think about it, Nohc. I personaly support the decision to go to war. Wether Saddom had WMD or not, he was still a mass murderer of his own people, and needed to be stopped...

[The Beatles]

Exactly what I was saying! I know a lot don't agree with me. It is in a sense a moral dilemma, but I think it was the only right thing to do.

[Nohc]

XD

Yeah, I think it was a good idea. There's always something wrong in the world, and America should be doing something to help the world. We're doing a lot to help Iraq become like America. Like democratic outpost in the Middle Eastern world.

I think too many people are complaining about the deaths, too. Not that losing people is a good thing, but that's what the military is about, and the casualties this war aren't much compared to others... You don't go in the military to help get a college degree... you go to fight for your country.

[Ruddertail]

I agree with you about how people complain about the deaths. Anybody diing is bad, but when you look at it from a numbers perspective, we lost far more men on D-Day alone. In fact, we lose far more people to car crashes-I'm pretty sure it's in the millions-each year then we've lost in Iraq over two years... We probably lose more people to murders each year then we've lost in Iraq...

[Nohc]

Yeah, how about we spend a billion dollars to help stop smoking and drinking. Just one billion. Not much at all compared to the war costs. I don't know what it's surmounted to. That'd save a lot of lives.

[The Beatles]

Speaking personally, I would divide the military's budget in 4 parts: leave one for the military, one fourth for education, one fourth for medical research, and one fourth for other government-funded scientific research (e.g. NASA). Did you hear about the NASA budget cuts? With the military's one fourth, I would cut military research to practically nil (bye bye DARPA), and spend it all on mass-producing cheap weapons in high quantities (kind of like the Eastern Bloc did in the Cold War). Cheap weapons are redundant, can be produced in mass numbers, well, you get the point. We could fight all these wars /and/ still have money for what matters. (Yeah, toss a billion like Nohc said into advertising against smoking. Although, this country is doing /very/ well in terms of smoking, compared to other countries in the world.) Gee, too bad I'm not president.

[Fresh Water Fighters]

Well you should run when you get enough time and money *laughs*.

I think it is better for the US to do somthing aganst the "killers" than sit back and wait for anmother septembner 11.

[windhound]

personally, I agree with Beatles, but then again an interesting point was raised to me..

Is the US the world's police? what /right/ do we have interfereing in other's problems?
>>if we have the means then why not stop the suffering of other's whos only mistake was being born in the wrong part of the world?
What about the slums in the US?
>>yeah.. thoes could probably use some help
>>but what the heck is up with the UN anyways? arnt they supposed to be helping people?
>>why are polotics so corrupt? why are soldiers going to trial for doing their job?
Shooting civilians is part of their job?
>>you go into war and see how long you last, usually not being able to tell civilian from foe
>>then have the added pressure of having to watch out for reporters with cameras to catch your every mistake
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whatever

eh heh.. I'm running off 4 hours of sleeeep..

As to smoking, the labels on everything related to it are HUGE.. ads, cartons, everything.. so people know the risks now.. esp. with all the publicity its gotten...
yet, amazingly, a large % of college students smoke.. there's nothin worse in the morning than getting stuck in one of the tunnels behind a guy with a cigarrette.. ug

[The Beatles]

Hey, I agree with the point that we should also be investing into cleaning up American problems, like slums.
But now, let me put it into a human perspective. If you see someone comitting a crime against someone else, then, as a witness, isn't it your human duty to interfere to stop it? You are not being a "police", but if there is no-one else there to deal with it, then not helping is practically assisting with the crime. Now, consider this: suppose you are also dealing with a personal problem. To resolve your problem before bothering to help the person in distress; that's just selfishness, isn't it?
Mind you, I agree that more work should be done in clearing up America. This is because the U.S. has resources to concentrate on both problems home and abroad. However, ignoring problems abroad is selfishness or complicity. Despite that, very few countries and very few administrations have the spine or moral sense to make that decision.

[Ruddertail]

I'd agree with you on your second post, Beatles. However, I wouldn't cut military research funding. Because if we just go with old weapons, all it takes is for someone to develope a good way to take down the those weapons in flight, then they're pretty much worthless. In addition, we wouldn't be anywhere near having a system like that, so we'd then be vary vulnerable, since they could hit us as much as they wanted, without fear of our retaliation...