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[Nohc]

Better weapons mean more death... but less death for us.

[ohmyjapan16]

I pretty much agree with what everyone else said, but here's my 2 cents anyway:
-How can people say we're in a war for oil when gas prices are rising
-U.N.- United Nothings. They haven't done a darn thing except let Kofi Annan's son steal U.N. money.
-European Union.... we saved all of their countries and they won't help stop a mass murderer and terrorist supporter. Also want to take God out of everything such as their constitution when almost all of those countries were founded by Christianity.
-I guess helping out a terrorized country is wrong, so we should worry about the Michael Jackson case.

[Devari]

-European Union.... we saved all of their countries and they won't help stop a mass murderer and terrorist supporter. Also want to take God out of everything such as their constitution when almost all of those countries were founded by Christianity.

Whoa?!

First, what do you mean by "saved all of their countries"? If this is about World War II, then I'd just like to point out that ALL the allies were responsible for the victory. The US didn't magically come in and end the war. ALL the countries involved won it. Without Canada, D-Day could have failed. Without the US, it could have failed. Without Britan, there wouldn't have been a D-Day.

The US didn't save Europe from Germany. All the Allies did. Technically, by the logic you have presented, the Soviet Union saved Europe. After all, without the crushing of Operation Barbarossa there might not have been an Allied victory.

And, personally, I support the seperation of church and state as long as there is Freedom of Religon.

And, no, those countries weren't founded by Christianity. For example, England: A lot of the existing infastructure for "civilization" was set there by the Romans. And 1066 isn't the birth of England - simply the Normanization of it.

[Urran Voh]

Admin and oldbie spam! I thought you guys knew better! :*laughs*:

[Nohc]

Admin and oldbie spam! I thought you guys knew better! :*laughs*:

What are you talking about?

[Urran Voh]

This topic was originally made to see how to survive from being killed on Promi, but changed to the war in Iraq.

[The Beatles]

The US didn't save Europe from Germany. All the Allies did. Technically, by the logic you have presented, the Soviet Union saved Europe. After all, without the crushing of Operation Barbarossa there might not have been an Allied victory.

So where did those Allies get their weapons, their information, and a lot of their soldiers even? That's right, the U.S. The U.S. supplied /all/ of the Allies since very near to the start of the war, the USSR, Britain, and France most heavily. Not to discredit your other arguments, of course.
On that note, I don't think WWII is relevant to world politics any more. We don't hate Germany because the people starting two world wars were born there, so why should we care who saved Europe from the Nazis when discussing current events?

[Nohc]

This topic was originally made to see how to survive from being killed on Promi, but changed to the war in Iraq.

You're right. It changed to the war in Iraq.

[Devari]

Hey, my point is that no one should go around saying "My country saved Europe!". Everyone had a part, including all the workers at home in the factories.

[The Beatles]

Yes, I understood, and said as much in my own post.

[Devari]

Actually, come to think of it, I thought that most of the supplies for the allies came from their respective home fronts. Not sure on that, though. Surprisingly hard to track down information on it.

Strange, isn't it? One of the most important parts of the war and very little in general is said about it.

[edit] Huh, sorry if those posts came off as harsh. I swear I did not write them to be that way.

[The Beatles]

I know for a cert. that the USSR got most of their weapons from the US. Also, that the overwhelming majority of Britain's weapons were provided by the U.S. Furthermore, the U.S. shared a lot of their intelligence with the Allies. Last, I know that many U.S. soldiers volunteered into the RAF, else it would not have kept up as it did. Not more than the British pilots, of course. And naturally enough, no US soldiers enlisted to Russia.

[Devari]

Not doubting you, but do you have any links? I'd like to read up a bit on that, as old Wikipedia doesn't have much.

[The Beatles]

Unfortunately, that's due to my history teacher in Hungary. That said:
http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/l1/lendleas.asp

lend-lease 
Related: United States History

arrangement for the transfer of war supplies, including food, machinery, and services, to nations whose defense was considered vital to the defense of the United States in World War II. The Lend-Lease Act, passed (1941) by the U.S. Congress, gave the President power to sell, transfer, lend, or lease such war materials. The President was to set the terms for aid; repayment was to be “in kind or property, or any other direct or indirect benefit which the President deems satisfactory.� Harry L. Hopkins was appointed (Mar., 1941) to administer lend-lease. He was replaced (July) by Edward R. Stettinius, Jr., who headed the Office of Lend-Lease Administration, set up in Oct., 1941. In Sept., 1943, lend-lease was incorporated into the Foreign Economic Administration under Leo T. Crowley. In Sept., 1945, it was transferred to the Dept. of State. Lend-lease was originally intended for China and countries of the British Empire. In Nov., 1941, the USSR was included, and by the end of the war practically all the allies of the United States had been declared eligible for lend-lease aid. Although not all requested or received it, lend-lease agreements were signed with numerous countries. In 1942, a reciprocal aid agreement of the United States with Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, and the Free French was announced. Under its terms a “reverse lend-lease� was effected, whereby goods, services, shipping, and military installations were given to American forces overseas. Other nations in which U.S. forces were stationed subsequently adhered to the agreement. On Aug. 21, 1945, President Truman announced the end of lend-lease aid. Arrangements were made�notably with Great Britain and China�to continue shipments, on a cash or credit basis, of goods earmarked for them under lend-lease appropriations. Total lend-lease aid exceeded $50 billion, of which the British Commonwealth received some $31 billion and the USSR received over $11 billion. Within 15 years after the termination of lend-lease, settlements were made with most of the countries that had received aid, although a settlement with the USSR was not reached until 1972.

Bibliography: See W. F. Kimball, The Most Unsordid Act (1969).

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[Devari]

Thanks!

Speaking of intelligence, it's actually quite interesting how much the conquered Poles did:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_contribution_to_World_War_II

Of course, an interesting film is:

http://imdb.com/title/tt0120716/

Although it was quite a while ago when I saw it...