I just downloaded and installed SUSE 10.0. I must say, I'm reaaaally impressed. More later...
BTW, I downloaded the "GM" version, which is non-free, but conveniently has stuff like MS fonts, DVDcss, Java, and Flash all on it...
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Nice!
I ended up downloading and burning the OSS edition - I couldn't find a proper torrent for the Eval version on the site.
Oh well, there is a tutorial somewhere for (really) quickly changing an OSS instal into an Eval one.
Now, all I need to do is find a suitable partition to install on. Maybe if Kubuntu 5.10 isn't too impressive, I'll switch to SUSE.
I ended up downloading and burning the OSS edition - I couldn't find a proper torrent for the Eval version on the site.
Oh well, there is a tutorial somewhere for (really) quickly changing an OSS instal into an Eval one.
Now, all I need to do is find a suitable partition to install on. Maybe if Kubuntu 5.10 isn't too impressive, I'll switch to SUSE.
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Well... I must say, I love Arch, but SUSE is "it" for me. It does everything without me needing to tell it anything, but if I want to tell it something, it can do nearly anything. I hope that made sense, because I was being serious, not antisocial.
As an example of this, it autodetected that on a Toshiba Satellite, you need to probe a special module and install a special userland app (fnfx). It did this for me, and the Fn-brightness keys work without me having done anything.
It is not like Mandrake in that on Mandrake, if you try to change something on the system, it tries to set it right back for you. And YAST2 is very advanced. Heck, it had a wonderful GUI for configuring the NVIDIA driver! No xorg.conf messing around for me. Needless to mention, wireless too works perfectly (NOT in Mandrake, Arch, YES in Debian, Fedora, SUSE). Package management is a breeze. Everything is a breeze, actually, and it is very well-thought out. Not to mention pretty.
Anyone should definitely check it out. If you're not so impressed as to convert your current install, I'd be surprised.
As an example of this, it autodetected that on a Toshiba Satellite, you need to probe a special module and install a special userland app (fnfx). It did this for me, and the Fn-brightness keys work without me having done anything.
It is not like Mandrake in that on Mandrake, if you try to change something on the system, it tries to set it right back for you. And YAST2 is very advanced. Heck, it had a wonderful GUI for configuring the NVIDIA driver! No xorg.conf messing around for me. Needless to mention, wireless too works perfectly (NOT in Mandrake, Arch, YES in Debian, Fedora, SUSE). Package management is a breeze. Everything is a breeze, actually, and it is very well-thought out. Not to mention pretty.
Anyone should definitely check it out. If you're not so impressed as to convert your current install, I'd be surprised.
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Wow, sounds impressive!
To be honest, Kubuntu is becoming less attractive to me. From what I've heard, KDE on Ubuntu is still miles behind GNOME, and I far perfer the KDE look, feel, and functionality. SUSE, on the other hand, is dedicated to KDE and having quality, good looking, and function GUI config tools.
Honestly, using crappy KControl modules and "sudo pico /path/to/config/file" is annoying me. If I wanted to spend time with the command line (which is fun, but can be more time consuming), I'd reinstall Arch on my test partition. (I had Arch on before, but had to take it off because it didn't have enough disk space available on the tiny partition for KDE).
Plus, I can still get tons of (probably more) packages for SUSE, including the latest KOffice and KDE 3.5 beta.
There was some poor hardware detection on Kubuntu 5.04, as well. My CD-RW drives totally fail to work with anything that tries to read or write to them, with the lone exception of NeroLinux. On Mandriva they worked fine, which is a big strike against Kubuntu, considering Mandriva's generally mediocre hardware detection/support.
Hm, yes, maybe it is time to switch. It looks very nice.
Out of interest, how does FC4 stack up to SUSE? I'm still trying SUSE first, because I already have the CDs, but is FC4 any good?
To be honest, Kubuntu is becoming less attractive to me. From what I've heard, KDE on Ubuntu is still miles behind GNOME, and I far perfer the KDE look, feel, and functionality. SUSE, on the other hand, is dedicated to KDE and having quality, good looking, and function GUI config tools.
Honestly, using crappy KControl modules and "sudo pico /path/to/config/file" is annoying me. If I wanted to spend time with the command line (which is fun, but can be more time consuming), I'd reinstall Arch on my test partition. (I had Arch on before, but had to take it off because it didn't have enough disk space available on the tiny partition for KDE).
Plus, I can still get tons of (probably more) packages for SUSE, including the latest KOffice and KDE 3.5 beta.
There was some poor hardware detection on Kubuntu 5.04, as well. My CD-RW drives totally fail to work with anything that tries to read or write to them, with the lone exception of NeroLinux. On Mandriva they worked fine, which is a big strike against Kubuntu, considering Mandriva's generally mediocre hardware detection/support.
Hm, yes, maybe it is time to switch. It looks very nice.
Out of interest, how does FC4 stack up to SUSE? I'm still trying SUSE first, because I already have the CDs, but is FC4 any good?
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Ooh, I almost forgot. klik support is better on SUSE than any RPM distro, and is under active development. Try it out - I find it much nicer than a conventional install, and it tends to actually make smaller files as well.
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http://www.thejemreport.com/mambo/content/view/178/42/
[edit] BTW, SUSE uses gtk-qt by default. All GTK apps will use the QT toolkit. First distro I've seen that does that.
As compared to FC4? Well it's like comparing YAST to system-config-*. Well that's not entirely fair, because that's only one area in which I far prefer SUSE. I don't trust myself to give a balanced comparison, and I won't make an imbalanced one since windy is a FC4 user and likes it.
[edit] BTW, SUSE uses gtk-qt by default. All GTK apps will use the QT toolkit.
First distro I've seen that does that.As compared to FC4? Well it's like comparing YAST to system-config-*. Well that's not entirely fair, because that's only one area in which I far prefer SUSE.
I don't trust myself to give a balanced comparison, and I won't make an imbalanced one since windy is a FC4 user and likes it. :wq
Ah, yes, thank you. You've saved me the time of looking for that blasted article. Not anything I couldn't have figured out myself, unfortunately.
Well, considering that FC4 is GNOME-centric, I think I'd stay away from it anyway.
Well, considering that FC4 is GNOME-centric, I think I'd stay away from it anyway.
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Fedora uses GDM, but I'm pretty sure the KDM is availible in the extras repo
it also has a slightly customized KDE and GNOME, as does SuSe
I tried YAST on the live disk, and it looked very pretty, unfortunatly most of the live disk stuff was a 'look, dont touch' type setup
MDK is designed to be user-friendly, like windows
with XP, if you delete a few select files they will be put back automatically (though, the fact that you are able to delete them in the first place is what makes windows vulerable)
I've had a few issues with Fedora's repos, but other than that I like it quite a bit and dont log into windows but once a month to update virus definitions or do specialty tasks that linux doesnt have a compareable tool availble yet
I'd probably swap for SuSe, and would have done so after playin' around with their live dvd, its just a very well done OS (and well-funded, by Novell),
but Fedora has a certain hold on me =-P
the lack of a central control panel one of the main irking things, havin to look through menus to find what I want, and inconsistancies in yum repos (fedora us & livna vs. freshrpms, dag, and a few more)
but it works fine and is actually runnin' a noticable amount faster than my windows is right now, and I just restored that from a backup..
btw, another thankee to Beatles for helpin' me get started in linux
its a vast improvement over window xp
just a lot less issues and I dont have to run virus scans and spyware/adware searches
there are still some issues, but they're much more overlook-able than the issues I have with ms windows..
that, and most of the software is free
Fedora uses GDM, but I'm pretty sure the KDM is availible in the extras repo
it also has a slightly customized KDE and GNOME, as does SuSe
I tried YAST on the live disk, and it looked very pretty, unfortunatly most of the live disk stuff was a 'look, dont touch' type setup
MDK is designed to be user-friendly, like windows
with XP, if you delete a few select files they will be put back automatically (though, the fact that you are able to delete them in the first place is what makes windows vulerable)
I've had a few issues with Fedora's repos, but other than that I like it quite a bit and dont log into windows but once a month to update virus definitions or do specialty tasks that linux doesnt have a compareable tool availble yet
I'd probably swap for SuSe, and would have done so after playin' around with their live dvd, its just a very well done OS (and well-funded, by Novell),
but Fedora has a certain hold on me =-P
the lack of a central control panel one of the main irking things, havin to look through menus to find what I want, and inconsistancies in yum repos (fedora us & livna vs. freshrpms, dag, and a few more)
but it works fine and is actually runnin' a noticable amount faster than my windows is right now, and I just restored that from a backup..
btw, another thankee to Beatles for helpin' me get started in linux
its a vast improvement over window xp
just a lot less issues and I dont have to run virus scans and spyware/adware searches
there are still some issues, but they're much more overlook-able than the issues I have with ms windows..
that, and most of the software is free
Hobbs FTW!
The antisocial people at Slashdot fried the Ubuntu repos this morning, and now the rate is so slow apt-get predicts it'll take 14 hours to complete the Kubuntu upgrade!
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Yes, there is, Slasher.
http://www.novell.com/products/suselinu ... _isos.html
Get the one called "Eval DVD ISO"
Btw windy, I was also helped a lot when I started. Share and share alike, I suppose.
http://www.novell.com/products/suselinu ... _isos.html
Get the one called "Eval DVD ISO"
Btw windy, I was also helped a lot when I started. Share and share alike, I suppose.
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