Haha, u guys know better than to trust wikipedia
*laughs*
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as u said, the celts where spread out quite a bit.
how about some renegade vikings as well? they can be those people who like to kill, but are limited with what they can do, so if u are a viking, u sell food for less, everything is more expensive and so on....
Hey, depending on the time period you have in mind for the Greeks they could have a really interesting twist. If your looking to the time period around Alexander then there is no real twist. But if you wanted to place it in the time of the Greek polis there are some real possibilities. For some background info I'm posting a paper I wrote contrasting a Greek Polis with the Roman Republic.
*warning its a rather long read, so you may want to skip or scan*
The Roman Republic and a typical Greek Polis had many similarities and differences in the various aspects of their cultures and political structures. They were very similar in many aspects and are often confused with one another. In the following paragraphs, I will be discussing a few of the major similarities and differences they had.
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The common theme with democracies is that they tend to be very successful economically, and both the Roman Republic and Greek Polis were no exception. Both were wealthy trade-based economic powerhouses. A government’s economy is vital to its ultimate success. Both the Roman Republic and Athens (a typical Greek Polis) had an incredibly successful economy which ultimately made them into two of the most influential civilizations of all time.
The Roman Republic and Greek Poleis were two of the most influential civilizations of all time. They have influenced everything from modern governments to religion. One of the most noticeable governments they have influenced is the United States of America, who based their government on the Greeks Polis and The Roman Republic.
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Both the Greek and Roman religions were similar in various ways. This is because when the Romans conquered the Greeks, they incorporated their gods into their religion. Many writers made this goal a reality. They wrote many poems and stories about the “Romanized� Greek gods. In these writings, the writers changed many of the characteristics of the gods to fit with the moral beliefs of Rome. An example of this is the god Ares. The god of war’s name was changed to Mars and was repainted in a much more glorifying way to fit with the Roman view on war.
The Roman Republic’s and a typical Greek Polis’s armies were quite different. The Roman Republic’s army was a paid professional army while a typical Greek Polis’s army was completely volunteer. There are many advantages and disadvantages to both types. A volunteer army is typically more passionate than one who has been conscripted. A volunteer army is also typically better equipped because they can afford to buy armor with their spare money gained from commerce. The Roman’s professional army had an advantage with its troops being more professional and better trained than a volunteer one.
The overall size of the two governments in question is also an important distinction. The Roman Republic was a powerful and large world power whose influence reached to the far ends of the earth. A typical Greek Polis was confined to a much smaller area, though Athens also had much influence on the outside world.
Citizenship in the Roman Republic and a typical Greek Polis were different in a few ways. In both the Roman Republic and a typical Greek Polis, women and children, together with resident foreigners, some laborers, and slaves were not considered citizens. While the Roman Government commonly granted citizenship to conquered peoples, a typical Greek Polis would not do this, typically making its citizens a smaller, more conservative group.
The different classes were also a very important difference in the Roman Republic and a typical Greek Polis. In a Greek Polis, the class one was born into had very little effect on his ability to gain power. In the Roman Republic, only those in certain classes could join the senate. These facts played an important role in the rise and downfall of both civilizations. While an ideal democracy would have all classes being equal, this allowed the Roman way of democracy to be ultimately more successful in having a powerful military government.
The scope of the two governments is also very different and is one of the most distinguishing features between the two. The Roman Republic spanned all across the world and was relatively uncontained. The typical Greek Polis, on the other hand, was a local government which spanned over a city and a few outlying farms but relatively little else.
Overall, the Roman Republic and a typical Greek Polis were very similar in many ways, such as their cultures and political structures. Though the Greek Poleis and the Roman Republic are often confused, the two types of governments were also very different in build. They both ultimately influenced the world in which we live today in many ways, both good and bad.
Anyways back to my point. If you used the Greek Polis time period for the Greeks you could do a number of things. One being having your workers double as troops for the Greeks armies were completely volunteer at the time. These troops would also be of very high caliber in comparison to the other troops because of their increased quality in armour and weapons. In order to balance out this tremendous offset I would suggest you disable the buying or selling of troops.
Tribe       Military       Spies       Economy
Egyptian      Good         Very Good     Fair
Britons      Very Good      Poor        Fair
Phoenician     Poor         Very Good     Very Good
Etruscan      Good         Good        Very Good
Greek       Excellent      Good        Poor
Gallic       Good         Poor        Excellent
Assyrian      Very Good      Good        Fair
Germanic      Very Good      Poor        Good
Persian      Fair         Very Good     Excellent
Macedon      Excellent      Poor        Excellent
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This is how i would have it.
Etruscans actually had a rather considerable army... but never had the chance/balls to use it. Galls were too strong, and the Illyrians to the east were a savage people on poor land.
---Neobaron
First among the lords of the south and Captain of the Flying Skiff.
Just a few suggestions:
1. Britons is plural, so in keeping with the other names I'd make it 'Briton' or 'Brythonic' or 'Britannic'.
2. Is it Macedon or Macedonian? You know best, just wondering.
3. Phoenician seems to be a lower-powered Etruscan? Maybe we can fiddle around with the individual bonuses when it comes down to the races. But also maybe we can just take one out. What do you think?
4. If you add the bonuses up on a 1-5 scale, you get:
Which seems a tad unbalanced. Can we do something about this, or is it not worth it?
5. Briton and Germanic are also very similar. Can this be rectified?
6. Phoenician seems to be a depowered Persian, also.
7. Might it help if we went into the bonuses with more detail?
2. Macedon. "Macedonia" is a region, not a nation (Stupid UN et al.)
3. Phoenicians and Etruscans similar? I suppose the phoenicians could get a higher economic score... i was pondering that myself.
You cant really eliminate the *brain fart* Peninsula that the Etruscans are on, and if you clump it with the greeks (colonization in the south) then they get an economic bonus, which would make them highly similar to the Macedonians, which would also eliminate that one.
Alternatively, you could eliminate the Phoenicians and clump them with the assyrians... BUT then youd have to factor in the eastern shores of the Iberian and the Algerian coast.
4. Erm... numbers might not look good in that format, but if you look at the higher scores, they have very obvious weaknesses that can be exploited easily by the lower numbers. (Then again im not an FaF guru...)
5. Briton is actually a subgroup of the Gauls... wasnt going to include them at all but since you wanted to include the island, i threw them in there. My position is to remove the Britons *grin* from the list altogether. =-P
6. See 3
7. Please do!
---Neobaron
First among the lords of the south and Captain of the Flying Skiff.
If you go down to the woods today, you better not go alone
It's a lovely day in the woods today, but safer to stay at home
BECAUSE EVIL FREEN IS KILLING ALL THE TEDDY BEARS AT THEIR PICNIC
If you go down to the woods today, you better not go alone
It's a lovely day in the woods today, but safer to stay at home
BECAUSE EVIL FREEN IS KILLING ALL THE TEDDY BEARS AT THEIR PICNIC
Yes, but we're going for playability first, realism second. We need some good hawk/spy races, despite the fact that it might not be historically accurate.
Empires: WOA: Attila the Hun(#13)
BFR: ? Founder and Leader of Hungry Huns (HH)
