Impending Shutdown

[Freenhult]

So what's everyone's take on it? I just saw this on the old bookface and it makes me want to slap myself.

I'm truly disappointed that the Federal gov't "shutdown" Saturday morning won't be a true shutdown. Despite the negative consequences, Congress, the tea baggers and the rest of the American public need to see what it means to have Federal gov't services cease. No ATC, no NWS, no law enforcement, no Coast Guard, nothing. If you want to make a point by shutting things down, then really do it.

Its too bad. This guy got sucked into the National Weather Service Union quite quickly by "friends" of his. Its really sad how they don't get what's happening isn't just about them, its about all of us. IF there is no government because we can't pay our bills, then they don't get paid. But I mean hey, we won't have to worry about that like x years because we can keep printing money.

Wiemar anyone?

[neobaron]

herp derp governmant will kill all things cuz they r dumb!

I just paraphrased your quote from FB.

The government shut-down will have no effect on everyday life. No federal worker put on leave will miss pay - it will be reimbursed.

This is a publicity stunt being played out by the (currently) weaker of two parties in order to pick up votes in the next election. I guarantee you nothing will really change when all of this drama has passed, but there will for damn sure be ads starting about December this year for elections in '12.

[The Beatles]

Government was shut down dozens of times in the Carter and Reagan and even Clinton years. It's not the end of the world. But it's expensive and it's not exactly good for growth either. I think that both parties are deliberately not trying too hard for a compromise, hoping the shutdown will embarrass the other. I hope it embarrasses both, roundly, and some third party makes headway in Congress... oops, sorry, that sutff I was smoking was stronger than I thought...

[neobaron]

I was gonna say... third party in MURIKAH?

Surely you can't be serious.

[windhound]

Mm. More than likely gov't workers who miss pay because of a shutdown will be reimbursed, true, but there's a lot of people working paycheck to paycheck

It is a stunt, and done by the people it'll have zero effect on. Just like a large portion of our laws.

And Beatles, because it embarrasses both equally nothing good will come of it. Each side will ignore their own embarrassment and shove it off as the fault of the other. It'd be better if there was one clear twit on which the blame could lie

[The Beatles]

Well, averted.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13022575

At least they learnt the meaning of the word compromise... Neither is happy at all with it, but compromise is something they've done damn little of for a while now.

[Freenhult]

That's only a week though IIRC, I haven't read anything really. While I do appreciate the fact that the gov't didn't shut down, especially in the face of the potentially apocalyptic severe storms this weekend, I think that they need to cut a lot, lot more out sooner rather than later. The dems really look the worst in a shut down case, and I think the Republicans, while pushing a small point look silly too, but at least it looks like their trying now that they have a Budget proposal to work with.

[Shadow I]

I think that everyone will see the one they didn't vote for as the sillier of the two. The republicans were engaging in shameless poison pill politics to make the democrats look bad at the (almost) expense of the American public.

[Freenhult]

I think that everyone will see the one they didn't vote for as the sillier of the two. The republicans were engaging in shameless poison pill politics to make the democrats look bad at the (almost) expense of the American public.

Oh boo hoo. This isn't about who looks good or bad, its about what's right and wrong. Harry Reid won't cut money because he doesn't want to hurt the flower festival that's coming up. QQ more progressives.

Here's an example of the left and their lovely ideas of protest.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/09/facebook-users-cancel-protest-dump-trash-boehners-residence/

Where do these people come from.

[The Beatles]

Wait, the stupid people on the right don't protest just as stupidly?

[Shadow I]

This isn't about who looks good or bad

Actually, that is -exactly- what that was about

[neobaron]

Hate to disagree with ya Freeny, but in a 2 party system every decision can be justifiably traced back to the motive of harming the other party rather than helping the constituents or the people as a whole.

The US political system is broken, and will forever remain so.

[Freenhult]

Wait, the stupid people on the right don't protest just as stupidly?

Counter example? I'm sure their are, but let's just compare them.

Actually, that is -exactly- what that was about

Supposedly saving our country from the debt crisis. Which I agree with.

Hate to disagree with ya Freeny, but in a 2 party system every decision can be justifiably traced back to the motive of harming the other party rather than helping the constituents or the people as a whole.

The US political system is broken, and will forever remain so.

I think in present-day politics that's possible. However, I think that as the right gains more steam into the 2012 election cycle that trend will pick up. After the Republican's have the majority, that should slide into the background a lot. The Dems will always pretend their victims of the right.

[The Beatles]

But I'm sure there are more violent forms of idiocy too. Bottom line is once you let go of reason, all sorts of stuff can happen.

I think in present-day politics that's possible. However, I think that as the right gains more steam into the 2012 election cycle that trend will pick up. After the Republican's have the majority, that should slide into the background a lot. The Dems will always pretend their victims of the right.

Wait isn't being victims of the Dems the Reps major, continual bitch? Both sides blame all their problems on the other, neither has the moral high ground (or low ground) on that one.

[neobaron]

Counter example? I'm sure their are, but let's just compare them.

To be honest, I'd rather have the lefties and their hitler signs and idiotic chants than the righties and their guns and idiotic religion.

Supposedly saving our country from the debt crisis. Which I agree with.

Please don't go there... business is just as responsible for the debt as government programs.

Americans who think their work is worth more than the guy in india, mexico, or china are also to blame - probably moreso than the other two.

I think in present-day politics that's possible. However, I think that as the right gains more steam into the 2012 election cycle that trend will pick up. After the Republican's have the majority, that should slide into the background a lot. The Dems will always pretend their victims of the right.

I think you meant to say the minority party will always pretend that they're victims of the majority party.

Very few voters vote based on knowledge of issues. Most vote on D or R listing, whatever is trendy, or which one believes in Jesus.

I'd say that group makes up about 90%. They're even less reliable as a decision-making machine when there are words like "war", "troops", "abortion", and "guns" thrown in the mix.

The other 10% generally believe in their decisions and bother to learn both sides of an issue and, sadly, their informed votes are crushed by popular angst.

The american political system, so long as it is two party, is broken and will forever remain so, and this statement will hold true no matter which party is trendy in a given election cycle.