A New Law

foremolethomas · Post by **foremolethomas** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:10 pm

I just saw on the news this mourning that the U.S. government made a law that school age bulling in now a crime, if you are in kinder garden-12 grade and you live in the U.S. and you make fun of any other U.S. citizen in Kinder Garden- grade 12 due to there race, sexual orientation, sex, wight, or appearance it is punishable by 1-3 weeks in a Juvenile detention center, they did this because a girl committed suicide because one of her classmates was making fun of her on internet, do you think this is a good new law or not? I don't think so because if someone is being made fun of they should be mature enough to handle it or at least come up with a decent come-back, not go commit suicide, if they are being made fun of due to there race, sex, or appearance (other than clothes they where) then the person making fun of them is messed up, but if it's due to there sexual orientation, wight, or the cloths they wear then yes you shouldn't make fun of them for it but if I was being made fun of by my wight or something like that (I am not over wight, I am 14 and my wight is 104lb) then I would just change it, your wight, sexual orientation, or the cloths they where then it's there choice to begin with, they CHOSE to be overweight by not exercising, they CHOSE what clothes they put on that mourning, they CHOSE to be gay/lesbian/bi/straight, they chose all that so y should they go commit suicide over there own choice, they should stand by there choice, if some guy at school came up to me and said "hahaha you straight, hahahah what a loser!", I would say, "ya I am straight and I am proud to be it, now move, I have to get to class", I wouldn't commit suicide over it, I just don't agree with that law. =-]

Shadow I · Post by **Shadow I** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:22 pm

I think that they may as well just turn all US schools into juvy if they plan to enforce this...

but on another note.. people don't "choose" to be gay or straight. They just are. Sexual orientation is about as choice-driven as skin color.

foremolethomas · Post by **foremolethomas** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:14 am

no it's not, they are not gay/lesbian/straight/bi right when they are born it has to do with influence and what happens to them, if a guy has a gay dad and 5 sisters that dressed him up as a girl when he was 4 then he will probably be gay, if he has 2 brothers and a dad in the Army and a mom in drug re-hab. he will probably be straight, the same with girls

Post by **Freenhult** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:31 am

foremolethomas wrote: no it's not, they are not gay/lesbian/straight/bi right when they are born it has to do with influence and what happens to them, if a guy has a gay dad and 5 sisters that dressed him up as a girl when he was 4 then he will probably be gay, if he has 2 brothers and a dad in the Army and a mom in drug re-hab. he will probably be straight, the same with girls

BS. Its genetics. You don't choose something like that, nor is it that much of an environmental factor.

foremolethomas · Post by **foremolethomas** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:31 am

no I disagree with you completely because I believe that god created the heavens and earth and every person and animal on it, and in the bible it said that homosexuals are abominations to god, if they are abominations to god then god wouldn't make them gay/lesbian at birth, that would be setting them up for eternal hell, god loves us to much to do that.

this is just my opinion.

Post by **Freenhult** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:12 am

no I disagree with you completely because I believe that god created the heavens and earth and every person and animal on it, and in the bible it said that homosexuals are abominations to god, if they are abominations to god then god wouldn't make them gay/lesbian at birth, that would be setting them up for eternal hell, god loves us to much to do that.

And the blah blah Bible. Okay, Theology 101. You just said God made everyone and I would suspect that you would agree that God has a part in everyone being born as of today and yesterday. Well, Then God himself made them gay. Which completely breaks the logic, so yeah. Its an on purpose thing no matter what you look at it. Also, the Bible is kinda new and I wouldn't exactly trust everything that you read in it with that much vigor. A religious debate won't win here, too many of us have either taken classes or had too many experiences on the matter.

Volk, I'm correct. Yes, Bio factor, sorry. Got ahead of myself. Anyway, I'd say that said person was Bi but just really hid it. But I'll concede the point. IF you really read some of the studies, its kinda weird. I'll have to dig around for them if I care enough, but it said that a large percent of the population was essentially Bi-sexual. Meaning they find some attractiveness to their own sex. Not everyone, but some. Which would make sense after all. People are still animals after all. Smart ones albeit, but yeah.

Post by **Gen. Volkov** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:16 am

BS. Its genetics. You don't choose something like that, nor is it that much of an environmental factor.

Is it biologically driven? Almost certainly. Is it genetics? Eh... debatable. I personally say no, just because I think any "gay gene" would quickly wipe itself out. But there are some arguments for why a gay gene might be able to persist. As for environmental factors, they probably do contribute somewhat. People are not wholly driven by their genes, but they are not only a product of their environment either. A person's ultimate personality is a result of the complex interaction of genes and environment as they mature into an adult.

I do have a problem with saying everyone who is gay or lesbian did not choose to be so. The reason is, I know more than few gays and lesbians. And while most of them indeed can't seem to help it, a few that I've known seem to have made the choice to be homosexual in order to fit in with the peer group they have chosen. Telling that story would reveal more personal details than I'd really like to, but trust me when I say this, I'm pretty sure this particular individual chose to be gay. You aren't close friends with someone for nearly 10 years without getting to know them fairly well.

Post by **Freenhult** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:56 am

Read above edit. Sorry.

Death · Post by **Death** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:59 am

Baw, a little girl died. Baw, this has never happened before. Baw, for the first time in world history children are making insults. Baw, time in Juvi will help them and not harm them.

Weak.

foremolethomas · Post by **foremolethomas** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:56 pm

Death wrote: Baw, a little girl died. Baw, this has never happened before. Baw, for the first time in world history children are making insults. Baw, time in Juvi will help them and not harm them.

Weak.

haha no kidding.

Arthus · Post by **Arthus** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:41 pm

Was religion just used as a reason why being gay/lesbian isn't chosen genetically? *sighs* It's actually partly based on genes and how you are influenced when growing up. I do not believe God made all of us, and if you say God wouldn't allow gay people to exist cause he thinks they are an abomination, then they wouldn't, but wait, there seem to be quite a few... God has some smitting to do. I'm stopping here cause I don't want to anger any religious people.

Tetigustas shadowson · Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:23 pm

The law is in responce to not just bully-ing but murder suicide also (as in school and work place shootings) you think iits just because of some girl.
sorry but you are mistaken, and if your going to start a topic on a law then dont blasterdize it into a religeon topic.

I think its about time some one made schools a place for learning and not a belittlement fest because some one is not like you! every one is different and not every one is 'GROWN UP ENOUGH TO TAKE IT!' they are kids like you!

if you complane to the rights commision that your being discriminated against, because your a white guy.
The social worker will tell you there is no laws protecting you from being harrased because your a white male! 'so just grow up!' I am completely serious if your a guy and white your screwed...!
got tits, gay, or colored skin then your protected by all kinds of laws!

I like the law and think it should be taken seriously.....!

Post by **Freenhult** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:25 pm

Yeah, because we need the government to protect us all the time. Because thats its job.

Post by **Gen. Volkov** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:25 pm

OK, again, I'm not sure where people are getting this idea that genes play a role in homosexuality. There has yet to be any "gay gene" that has been found. There have been several claims, but they were based on bad data and faulty conclusions. It's possible that homosexuality has a genetic component, but at present all we have evidence for is that there is a biological component to homosexuality, which is not necessary based on the persons genes. There are several other factors that determine how our bodies operate that do not stem from our genes, or at least directly from our genes.

Also, the Bible is kinda new and I wouldn't exactly trust everything that you read in it with that much vigor.

Er actually, even the newest parts of the Bible are close to 2000 years old. However, that's not to say the Bible is without error, for example, the Gospels don't agree on the year Jesus was born. Additionally, the Bible, whether inspired by God or not, was written by men, who put their own biases and spins on things. So no, I wouldn't say the Bible is an extremely trustworthy source in all cases, especially when you are dealing with the Old Testament, which is mostly verbal tales that got written down during the era of the deuteronomists.

Volk, I'm correct.

About what?

Anyway, I'd say that said person was Bi but just really hid it. But I'll concede the point.

Mmk. You should, because hiding that your Bi is a choice, and gives effectively the same result as choosing to be homosexual.

IF you really read some of the studies, its kinda weird. I'll have to dig around for them if I care enough, but it said that a large percent of the population was essentially Bi-sexual. Meaning they find some attractiveness to their own sex. Not everyone, but some. Which would make sense after all. People are still animals after all. Smart ones albeit, but yeah.

I read that study, but I don't know if I completely agree with the methods. The main problem is that it was a sociological study, and to be honest, sociology is not a very rigorous science. There's a reason it's called a "soft science".

Aside from that though, it was interesting, and I suppose it does make a bit of intuitive sense. After all, humans are pretty horny animals, and we regularly have hetero-sex without the possibility of a child being born. So I suppose that as long as the species manages to propagate itself, being attracted to members of both sexes is not innately harmful to the species.

foremolethomas · Post by **foremolethomas** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:52 pm

It's harmful if they go to hell.

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