Attack limit

[The Beatles]

The attack limit is a pretty silly arbitrary restriction. It also leads to some uncomfortable situations, such as friends attacking each other with few troops to reach the hit limit to make them invulnerable.

At the same time, attacks get far too much land for far too little troop loss. This is being discussed in another topic, "The Value of Land".

I just mention this separately because I think hit limit should ultimately go, but either the probability of attack success, or the amount of land gained, or the cost to the attacker (or all three), should be significantly raised in tandem.

Thoughts?

[Ruddertail]

You get the same thing as with personal war - people getting killed unclanned, people getting unreasonably ganged up on, etc...

Will reply more later. Beatles - Devari, you, and I should get together on AIM and chat about this...

[Freenhult]

I'd like to be included in this aswell. Just to listen and to chip in.

I'm not sure how that would work. But forcing attacks to gain less land, might make the need for a hit limit much less needed. As in, more turns are needed to kill and forcing more people to give up runs, and ruin their nets to do it.

Its certainly a possibility depending on how much land grabbing gets nerfed.

[The Beatles]

I don't have time to AIM. However, what Freen said.

[Urran Voh]

Set up a BETA server to test these ideas out?

[Death]

It also leads to some uncomfortable situations, such as friends attacking each other with few troops to reach the hit limit to make them invulnerable.

Simple solution, disable them. It's pretty easy to tell the difference from someone doing that and someone just being stupid.

At the same time, attacks get far too much land for far too little troop loss. This is being discussed in another topic, "The Value of Land".

Well right now the playerbase is low, once it goes up there will be more empires, which equals more land ingame. So that problem will fix itself, changing it will only cause problems in the future.

I just mention this separately because I think hit limit should ultimately go, but either the probability of attack success, or the amount of land gained, or the cost to the attacker (or all three), should be significantly raised in tandem.

No hitlimits will just lead to people killing off whoever has much net, would probably cause quite a few to leave. Some hitlimit work could be good though.

[Keke]

No hitlimits will just lead to people killing off whoever has much net, would probably cause quite a few to leave. Some hitlimit work could be good though.

At least I wouldn't want to play if hit limits go away.

[Urran Voh]

No hitlimits will just lead to people killing off whoever has much net, would probably cause quite a few to leave. Some hitlimit work could be good though.

Balanced out by having more troop losses for the attacker than the defender. Ultimately, turning FAF into a more defensive game..rather than extremely offensive.

At least I wouldn't want to play if hit limits go away.

Right now, the current limit is 30 (or sent back to 21 yet?). That is more than enough to severely cripple an empire.

[Ruddertail]

Are you kidding me, Urran? 30 hits doesn't hardly damage an empire. Now if we implemented the new land system, it'd be different. As it is, even being taken to 500 acres probably wouldn't significantly cripple and empire.

And gang killings would still go down.

[Urran Voh]

Not now it won't..If the person had been storing. But without storing and you get slammed with 30 STDs then you will have a hard time bouncing back.

[Ruddertail]

30 standards? Yes, I suppose that would do damage. However, I'd assume most people would also have a fair store of food and cash, along with a reserves system (eventually).

[Urran Voh]

Not everyone has experienced enough Promi to store large sums of cash or food away...Some may spend $10 mil on troops and only leave a few hundred thousand out for the start of their next run...Don't always assume that newer players have learned the ropes yet.

[The Beatles]

Simple solution, disable them. It's pretty easy to tell the difference from someone doing that and someone just being stupid.

That's a workaround, not a solution.

Well right now the playerbase is low, once it goes up there will be more empires, which equals more land ingame. So that problem will fix itself, changing it will only cause problems in the future.

That's quite irrelevant. I'm not concerned with land, but with hit limits.

No hitlimits will just lead to people killing off whoever has much net, would probably cause quite a few to leave. Some hitlimit work could be good though.

Not if FAF becomes more defensive, through one or more of the three changes I mention (which are in active discussion, btw).

[Urran Voh]

Ack! Signed for the Test server, but I haven't received my e-mail yet...And I can't log into Admin to change it...

EDIT: Fixed the admin pass...but I still haven't received the e-mail.

[Turock]

I just signed up and got the e-mail right away. Maybe your spam filter ate it?